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5Sym0819774 · @sym0819774
6 4th Aug 2018 from TwitLonger
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9Post-Alpha guild Manifesto
10I have initially tried to keep this small by keeping it within my own discord server with few people that were involved just due to their association with me in game, but the opposing party has started to cornering the bystanders that were exposed to my side of the story, so this is my last resort, I'll sacrifice both accounts just to release this story online. I had the 2nd victim in the same server the whole time to confirm my story, so I can't make shit up here. There are also those bystanders that were in my server to confirm if I have changed anything here.
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12I usually only create threads about controversial topics about nexon, but this is getting out of hand.
13
14I won't be worried about formatting and punctuations much, I literally just copied over what I already said on discord server that was viewed by 20+ people with authority, just edited around to avoid rules.
15I’ll keep my own name uncensored for transparency purposes.
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17Due to reddit rules I have given fake names to all parties below
18
19This is a diary about the days I was part of this guild, and my experience within it
20
21Characters
22Post-Alpha guild = PA
23Punch (leader)
24Mustang (right-hand man)
25BackHand (left-hand woman/Met mustang on tinder)
26RAT (very mature old person/victim)
27Symphobia (Victim)
28Andy (memer)
29Crazy (memer) He shows up in one of the thread screenshots
30Bully (toxic memer)
31Flame (brick wall)
32Reborn (guild)
33Mold (guild)
34Morning (guild)
35Cute Guild = CG
36UnluckyOnes (Guild)
37
38
39about 1.5 weeks before cbt2 started, i saw a thread on reddit from PA recruiting hardcore players, i planned to play hardcore this time around so might as well join them as at that time no one from west labeled them selves as hardcore or had high aims
40
41i sent them pm, i was shortly contacted, screened through tough edgy questions, i'll copy paste one here "Do you have IRL shit to do? Jobs, marriages, children. And if so, would you quit your job/divorce your partner and abandon your children if asked by the guild?"
42this was asked by Mustang in their discord, Punch's right hand man
43
44after the screening, i was accepted, very warm welcome, they told me i can spend my free time in a BOTS channel section, where they have this PANTIES currency mini game, where each hour i gain this currency by typing in a command like !work !slut !crime
45Immediately i realized this is the most cancerous shit I've seen on discord, like I do business through discord but it was my first exposure to using a bots currency to purchase ranks or name colors. jesus christ people had such long ass names with endless fruits beside their titles.
46
47so this was a way to be invested into their discord channel i guess, and be active
48since everyone was waiting for the fking game to release
49
50soon i realized this shit could be done with a bot
51there was another new newcomer, called RAT
52entered around the same time as me
53he was edgy 90 year old grandpa with a SJW personality
54i didn't mind anything
55i just rolled along
56
573 hours later they bring us all into a group call, as soon as i join i hear Punch using N words casually and bashing the girls in his discord, like talking mad shit about her life and how he'll continue to mistreat her. so they all met online it seems from cbt1
58i wonder why those girls were there if they were getting this type of treatment, i just ignored it. 
59
60shortly after I also immediately heard tons of guilds hate them for reasons I'm not aware of. then they start talking about me, asking me questions, there is a senior positioned female named BackHand, Punch's left hand woman or some shit, she immediately ask me where im from
61
62i wasn't comfortable to answer that since no one else spoke about their origins
63so i just casually said china
64they sensed a hispanic accent from me so they didn't rly believe me, but let it go anyway.
65i forgot majority of the voice conversations after my part of the screening was over, they just then spoke about memes, hosted guessing games on the side channels, it all seemed fun and they all seemed funny people.
66they were heavily invested into discord.
67
68Few hours later, that newcomer RAT tells me, there are bots i can use to complete the currency shit if im afk. which was a life saver or i'd have to reminder my self every hour to do that stupid mini game. I then got permission from Punch to use scripts for the BOTS section.
69so i do that, leave it on over night
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71next day same casual shit, do currency shit then get into calls make fun their own girls then swear tons be offensive, thinking everyone can take it since they are all like minded people.
72which i still did not mind
73i told my self, i can get used to this
74
752nd day afternoon, i saw Reborn and Mold members memeing the fk out of PA on reddit on their PA recruitment page, which was fking funny too. BackHand decided to responded very childishly and didn't try to remain calm, because they were memes, she didn't need to embarrass her self. Her reasoning was she was defending PA.
76
77https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475093028181245953/recruit.JPG
78https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475093602486452244/recruit_2.JPG
79
80she deleted the thread and her comments, i found it through history
81
82after first week of cbt2, BackHand and Mustang along with few others left PA and made another casual guild called Morning Guild. idk if its a sister team or whatnot, wouldn't make sense because what would that make PA academy. I found the reason for all this at a later date.
83kk carrying on
84
85through the PA recruitment thread, since she embarrassed her self, i wanted teach her ways of PR and how to respond to the public so she doesn't have to embarass her self again
86so i told the guild, those were memes, shouldn't reply them with that type of attitude, look at the public response on the dislikes
87they said let people think what they want, we're still gonna play the game regardless
88i personally am a PR man, i be careful of what i post online in case i get blackmailed in the future. Sure I always shit on nexon on their decisions but I make sure non of it effects my irl business.
89
90so not big stuff, everything is still fine
91
92through that i found out they had beef with Reborn and Mold, as those 2 guilds constantly laugh at PA
93i then tried to break the bad atmosphere on that thread, and left a neutral comment " wow west really deserves a hardcore guild atm, I've been searching for so long", 
94i have deleted that comment after my departure so its something along those lines
95and upvoted her comments and downvoted theirs, obviously
96so at this point
97i have grown loyal to them
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99day 3 same shit in the morning, do currency, do more time wasting stuff, play league etc etc then afternoon, Andy recorded a video and put it up on reddit
100https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475098900907294723/utube.JPG
101
102it was a video of him, on his KMS2 account, going in a trophy house, getting all the trophies for 2 mins, then presses G to show his guild, the guild name was PALUL
103the whole meme is PA called them selves proudly as rank 1 with trophies that have nothing to do with rest of the game
104Mold and Reborn laughs at this since they are far ahead with PVE
105
106so my loyalty kicks in, i let everyone in the channel know this video exists
107went to reddit, reported for harrassment, reported on youtube for harrassment
108both things got taken down
109so within 1 hour, i defended them on reddit
110i went to bed after all this, then i woke up on 4th day, i saw Mustang commented on that thread with the video, that was already taken down
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112https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475106379997380628/mustangBabyrage.JPG
113Mustang has since deleted his comments
114
115Mustang wrote a babyrage essay to them, asking them why they enjoy picking on PA, or just boldly harass them
116and that they should stop
117Andy's response is, its all in the name of good fun memes
118so then i spoke to Mustang
119i said that essay was not necessary, i took down the video, problem was solved, u didnt need to waste energy on them
120or stoop to their level to try to get back at them
121
122he says he wanted to try to get them stop memeing them, or something along those lines, i fking forgot sorry
123
124so i tell the whole discord, pls guys don't reply to those memes, it only lowers your credibility as the rank 1 guild for west
125because they were memes, they should be taken lightly with chuckles, they weren't direct harassments
126
127they saw it differently
128they HAD to act like children with replies
129just straight up trash talk not even making sense type
130im saying they, they're like 5 people combined, and usually only Punch, BackHand and Mustang are talking 90% of the time
131along with RAT, but RAT just tried to be active in their discord, same thing as me to prove his loyalty to them
132
133that day continues with N word jokes coming from Punch and Mustang, bashing those girls again, jesus christ idk why those girls are even here, then i realized those girls needed a place of belonging and security, that's why they tell them selves its fine. This is however my own assumption.
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135
136day 4 same shit currency blahblah blah , nothing much was done this day, RAT found a exploit for the BOTS section, someone would've found it eventually. he uses this exploit to rank up his status in the guild discord, which costs like 3 days of currency if done casually, if we have bots on, it'll take 8 hours.
137anyway , he doesn't report this to Punch
138continues using it, Punch thought he was dedicated by ranking up so fast
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140all this, i found out on the 5th day
141that morning i was speaking to Punch about his renovations on the channel lists, then wrote a paragraph on PR control for their brand, because i constantly told them, u dont want people to remember sour taste when they see a rank 1 guild, u guys should protect this at all costs.
142Since they had so many enemy guilds already, they should really learn how to control their behavior in public to stop making a fool out of them selves all the fking time.
143
144Punch was then doing renovation on channels list, and fixing some bot channels
145RAT voluntarily pm's me, tells me Punch has just patched an exploit he has been using
146
147im like oh shit u should have told me sooner i wouldnt have sat here for 12 hours for this dumb fking system
148we get to think this way, because there is a RULES section of the discord, where they state be respectful yadayada, they them selves follow non of that. There was nothing about respecting the hierarchy, make any suggestions and you'll be kicked out, and it was not written within rules to report literally EVERYTHING to Punch
149
150I then hosted a call where I read a PR importance statement to them. Mustang and BackHand joined in the call, Punch was afk at the time, after my brief statement they said they'll talk to Punch about it.
151they did not agree with me, in fact they pretty much ended the conversation with we'll try, but we won't do that
152
153After that, the whole RAT thing happened, i nonchalantly bring up about RAT's bot section exploit assumed it was OK to tell PUNCH since RAT LITERALLY told me it was PATCHED
154PUNCH then demands me to screenshot all my conversation with RAT
155threatened me he'll kick me if i dont
156
157i give him all screenshots
158he says im gonna kick RAT
159i said listen, ur using emotion right now, thats not good u want to calm down and assess the situation, its a fking BOTS channel with 0 real value inside.
160shouldn't u give him at least a warning, everyone deserves second chance
161and i mentioned how their rule book states nothing about this
162
163he said "he just ruined my trust that's enough to sabotage things anyways im only telling u cuz u reported it so u gained some trust dont defend him now"
164
165"that would reverse it u reported it cuz u knew it was wrong thats a good thing i need people like that who report shit to me not do things behind my back"
166
167i said "no i told u on a whim caz HE SAID u patched it, so i should have no problem sharing with u lul anyway just dont mention my name ty"
168
169i then said "from my view, u should just lower him down to whatever rank he's supposed to be at and give him a last warning but if your trust issues are that big, try to come up with a decision that won't sabotage us as well"
170
171the sabotaging thing meant, RAT holds valuable information that PA was about to use to climb rankings very rapidly to secure rank 1
172so RAT for sure have these things downloaded, he can obviously give it to other guilds
173so i then said "i feel bad caz i apparently created this situation. u want to have less guild competitions as possible, its a rule of thumb"
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175
1763 hours after this conversation, they have made the decision to kick both me and RAT
177i was fking shocked, and teared up, i have invested so much fking time to not do anything else, just to be invested in their discord
178RAT too
179like i do business deals for underground from discord all the time with the same name, even if its a scam i don't tear up, since there are ways of charging back
180
181PA has scammed my time and betrayed my loyalty
182for my family values
183loyalty is something u can't buy
184
185then i receive this message while im doing activities in the BOTS section
186
187"You have been banned from MS2 PA Guild 
188By: Mustang 
189Reason: After deliberating with the Council for a bit we're doing the following: your are to be removed from the guild. Here's why we feel it's in your interest to leave the guild: You are overly-invested in the guild's direction, image and way of doing things. It's cool that you're passionate but you've failed to respect to the guild hierarchy. You are a fresh member and over the past week you've overstepped boundaries with those above you in the form of excessively pressing issues and attempting to pressure the higher-ups to conform to your views. Failure to respect the boundaries of guild hierarchy is a big red flag and as a guild we have evaluated the risk factors associated with your behavior and decided to remove you from the guild. Case #12•07/14/2018"
190
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192so then i tried to get a hold of them to explain my side, because i was not aware of they have fully adopted a korean confucius hierarchy system where i cannot suggest things to improve their ways, as they gave me no warnings, nothing to suggest to me I cannot suggest things.
193
194i could not get a hold of them, i tried msging BackHand on reddit , no response, all ignored
195I found out they have all blocked me as well to prevent me from leaving additional comments
196
197There was a guide provider named Bully within their discord, he wasn't new,
1982 days later, I tried to ask him if they can reconsider my case, i still try to go back since there was no other hardcore guilds that had a structure as them 
199
200"Symphobia 07/16/2018 
201could u ask them one last time if they want me back or no i wasn't aware they had a hierarchy and acted foolishly, i have learned my mistake" 
202
203"Bully 07/16/2018 
204Sorry, mom told me not to talk with strangers In all seriousness though, the answer remains no. Please refrain from begging more, thanks."
205Bully harasses me still on reddit, and in game
206on the behalf of PA guild
207
208that is all my interaction with PA guild , until afternoon i go into a carry raid run, where a WestMoldPlayer was carrying cdev
209
210I noticed there was a new member named Flame, joined PA for about almost 3 days now
211
212https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475116419025993730/cdev_carry_chart.png
213
214so Flame has a +7 legendary greatsword, dealt 8m dmg less than me, while im using +11 purple
215he then asks me, whats my build
216i asked why, then tried to give him an excuse, caz this game is competitive, why the fk am i sharing to a stranger
217
218he said
219https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475117149724082196/flamebabyrage.png
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221he said this before that run btw, since we did a test run that didnt clear
222then WestMoldPlayer joined in to clear for us
223I didn't respond to him after that exchange
224
225until i decided to post it in UnluckyOnes's discord for the memes
226because the meme is, wtf is he carrying when he is doing 8m less than me while having legendary weapon
227I then had some exchange in the raid entry where i told him, u shouldn't be so rude to strangers at first meeting, it'll go a long way
228he then called me rude then it became children conversation where he didn't want to reason with me while dodging questions etc
229
230
231I joined CuteGuild on the second day of cbt2, noticed them being no.2. It honestly could have been any 2nd place guild as I had my own agenda. I went in, helped them out on laying out clear goals, how this cbt will make recruiting for official release much easier, i recruited like 15 active people with high trophy and managed daily activities.
232the whole motive for me here, is to somehow take revenge, this drives me daily to improve CG. I already planned to invest 2 weeks of my life to cbt2 with no other distractions, this encouraged me to further use my time efficiently. We have secured first place for 4 days on the second week, my job is pretty much done here 
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234Why did I write all this? I want to raise awareness of PA guild's disgusting left-wing controlling behavior so that we can avoid dealing with them all together, and do raids without them telling u on what to do or on ur choice of who u can and cannot bring 
235
236sorry for my bad england, english is my third language
237
238Thanks to this experience I was able to not be stuck with that toxic group, and found many other wonderful people we have for west server, so I'm very thankful. 
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240Below info are me providing context from my perspective on various topics regarding PA guild
241
242PA recruited about 40 members before cbt2 started, because of the 30 memeber limit, they promised some people they would first be in PA academy, once they reach lv3 they'll invite them into the main roster. 
243This however did not happen, as CG made it hard for them. PA almost replaced the entire guild, I think about 20 members got swapped to people that had trophies and did raid. Don't forget about some of his loyal members started that Morning new guild because they didn't want to pursue hardcore style anymore. PA poached people from everywhere, dead guilds to super active guilds like CG. On the last day of cbt2, the people that didn't care about rankings and had high trophy that looked for a new active guild, joined CG. Some of them had other goals. I am grateful for everyone that has contributed. Through this I found out so many people didn't want to see PA on top. We even took some in that were kicked from PA, there were also some PA members that respected me based on my in game behavior and gameplay. Without me asking them, they tell me that PA's leader has actually no idea how to play the game, nor to manage a guild. They are apparently reminded of rushing trophies every minute, the people that get kicked were told they weren't good enough.
244
245July 30th: Flame came into my raid party, trolled us by auto attacking raid boss then left the party, now he has bad rep with 4 other guilds, ruining PA's rep even further...hey works for me
246
247https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469988118393520129/474100852219707403/unknown.png
248
249There were people like Flame that were intentionally ruining PA's image while doing daily activities, and Punch allows this to continue.
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252PA also coincidentally had control for about 5 days on who can or cannot be in party etc, because their hours of raid and other raid guilds aligned, also 2 of their members happened to join the GM run, so they got geared ahead of everyone else. those 2 players were in almost every raid party there was, so this allowed Punch to get free rides while being absolutely shit at the game and somehow still maintain a low dps for a zerk that have legendary gear. This however locked ME out of runs for about 5 days which i was pretty frustrated about. But since everyone started to realize the picture, it stopped happening.
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254I want to emphasize one more thing, this isn't creating drama, this is me coming out from my comfort zone and leaving a victim's diary, holding this information in was killing me mentally. Keeping my mouth shut is exactly what PA wants. 
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256
257Someone told Mustang I was ready to to drop this whole beef, so we talked it over
258at this time, no one from PA knew my server existed, as i planned it keep it prviate
259https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475124928530743316/mustang_1.png
260https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475127013842223114/mustang_2.png
261https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475133722493190154/mustang_3.png
262https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475134751687311361/mustang_4.png
263
264This clears up my beef with Mustang as a guild leader of his new guild, Punch and BackHand still remained
265
266At the same time, Mustang wanted to create a round table for guild leaders to join, in an attempt to prevent future dramas.
267https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/468154419595313153/475142531433103363/mustang_idea1.png
268https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475143018865754122/mustang_idea2.png
269
270I then shared both his apology along with idea for a alliance to my server, people knew how he was as a person. This decision was due to my obligation to clear up any misconceptions people from my server had about Mustang, and to let people know that we're cool.
271
272Some members from my server were hesitant on joining Mustang's alliance of leaders, as they knew the implications Mustang had with PA. They all understood Judge Jury and Executioner cannot all be from the same party if they want fair discussions. Mustang later decided to loosen the rules to let more people to join and tried to clear up the misconceptions between him and PA. That's all about this round table shit
273
274Then an hour later, few people from my server informed Punch this server does exist and all contents within it. Those people were "spies" as Punch called it.
275https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475136541807738891/INTeresting_1.png
276
277As that is unfolding, I receive a tip from a someone
278https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475161424356835328/tip1.png
279
280Mustang messages me to ask me why I decided to share our conversation with my server. He was going to question me regardless as soon as he got word about my server, because much of my written story is about him as well. But he chose to only speak about our conversation to look civil.
281https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475163920550723586/omegalul1.png
282https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475163935570526219/omegalul2.png
283
284=================================================
285My side of the story ends here
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287
288Since there was a channel for RAT to share his perspective, I'll include that story as well with lot of things censored, as this also provides more context of where I'm coming from.
289
290Rat's side:
291
292I want to keep things short, but it'll probably end up being long
293I joined the PA guild after hearing about it in the official discord server
294At the time, I was just looking for a hardcore guild to play in
295So I join and I already get a bad sign as you can not change your own nickname
296Apparently the entire discord runs on a currency and you have to buy the emojis for your nickname and etc
297This isn't my first experience with this currency bot, so I was well aware of it
298I use the "!Rob" action before it's disabled
299Out of pure luck, I'm able to rob atleast 40k from the richest member in the server
300I'm gonna just cut to the important parts
301I start developing friendships between alot of the members
302I don't like all of them, but most of them liked me
303So one of the members gives me more money for free
304So I decide to start climbing the ranks
305I joined like a day earlier than sym did
306So I was a few ranks higher than sym already
307I started buying more coupons to rank up
308But the more you rank up, the higher the prices for the coupons are
309So it starts getting really draining
310
311So I try the bot, but the times between each message is so inconsistent that it's unreliable
312At this point, I've gotten to know sym better
313And we've shared a few conversations together in both DMs and chat
314I show him the bot as I start to trust him more
315I asked Punch myself for sym
316https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475166217162981386/Rat1.png
317https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475166233516572723/RAT2.png
318
319
320Then we start bumping into some trouble because Punch starts saying the bot is spamming
321But he clearly said it's ok before
322And I set it every 15 seconds, so it's not like I'm spamming rapidly
323I give up on the bot
324But I find out that
325These different coupon ranks don't matter
326So I start using the cheapest coupons to rank up
327But I do it at times where almost nobody is on
328But one day
329It gets patched
330Like the different rank ups used to be differentiated with color
331And that's what I think messed the person setting my rank up
332But now
333The rank that the rank up applies to has the rank in parentheses after it
334Rank-up(basic)
335But one day, I get caught
336He asks me why I'm using a basic coupon instead of the one that is needed for my rank
337I play it off chill saying I just wanted all the ranks
338He seems suspicious of me, but believes me
339so I tell sym about it
340And apparently he mentions it to Punch
341That silly rabbit
342So that's pretty much my story, I don't want to drag it any longer
343But I think I put most of the details in
344Punch then asks me about it
345So I try to lie thinking that sym didn't tip me off
346Not the greatest of ideas
347also the members there
348Kept saying
349That I was a homophobe racist
350Which I'm not lol
351https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475167388912844800/RAT3.png
352
353I ask him for help
354And he joins in
355The only one I warn everyone to stay away from is Mustang and his trap girlfriend
356
357A little insight to what it was like
358https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171131217936384/RAT4.png
359https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171127229022221/RAT5.png
360https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171129233899530/RAT6.png
361https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171124171374602/RAT7.png
362https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171119499051018/rat8.jpg
363https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468154419595313153/475171115644223488/RAT9.png
364
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366Rat's side ends here
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368
369
370Thank you for reading this far, I became very committed on coming out with my story as soon as they tried to corner my friends. As I said in those screenshots, I really don't care what happens to my online persona or them as a org. inb4 some people say it's morally wrong to tear apart 30 people just because the management has fucked you over; unlucky i guess. It's precisely what PA wants that I better keep my mouth shut, but then I'm supposed to keep on being the victim and tear myself apart slowly with time? haha u funny
371
372I'm still not sure exactly why they don't want to keep loyal members or try to accommodate members to stay loyal. Insecurity problems I suppose. I specifically told Mustang all the things i said about him, Punch and PA are all about their brand, there was 0 personal attack from me, but it seems like he just got used to that culture to think everything is a personal attack. 
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